It's a good thing Santa Clause didn't bring a lot of socks & drawls

because Annie don't wear no panties...

ya'll all know I love me some Erykah Badu... well New Amerykah Part Two : Return of the Ankh has been pushed until February, but she's had video for one of the songs off the new album (that she performed live) on youtube for a while. The track is called "Annie"... check it out:

Favorite lyrics :

They were laying on the bathroom floor, they were filled with the holy ghost

She might not have no drawls, but I bet she won't forget the hot sauce

Now I rarely have clothes on when I'm in the crib. I mean I like being free. But I have never ever in my life, went out of the house with no drawls on. Actually that's a lie, cuz I did drive somewhere and did that trenchcoat with no clothes on underneath thing one time (ever since the movie Boomerang, that has been the sexiest thing any young woman thinks they can do), but I wasn't going out in public, it was straight to bruhs house and I knew I would be wearing his t-shirts and sweats home the next day.

We know women do it... the paparazzi has caught many celebrities with their coochies taking center stage.

WARNING... the following pictures are not suitable for those under the age of 18, or men over that age who are still afraid to put their face in it.

Paris Hilton

Lindsay Lohan

BeyonceI initially gave her a pass because with that costume where exactly would the underwear go
but then I found this pic

Britney Spears


Christina Aguliera

Now with the exception of Christina and Beyonce, this seems to be a white girl thing. I mean in black households you were taught always to go out in clean underwear just in case you were in a car accident (at least in my house), so I cant even fathom going out without any on.

So to all my bold RBW ladies... have you ever went out with no underwear on?
If so, please do explain the circumstances...

and my Renaissance Black Men... How do you view women that come out with no underwear on. Has their ever been a time that you went out and just let it hang and what was your reasoning?


Teems December 3, 2008 at 12:21 AM


I swear I only saw like two of those pics before... Too funny.

The Jaded NYer December 3, 2008 at 12:51 AM

not only do I STAY wearing underwear, I even sleep with a bra more often than not. I can't have those things flailing about all night lol

Torie Michelle December 3, 2008 at 12:57 AM

I would never, never go out of my place of residency without any draws (yes, on.

Gotta be kidding me....

There's no way.

I imagine it'd be uncomfortable but I suppose Britney, Lindsay, and crew would beg to differ.

Jewelry Rockstar December 3, 2008 at 12:57 AM

Well Neffe a$$$ was just on T.V. this very night bragging about not having panties on while she dance and did a split in a min dress. sigh...

BTW- I am not sure all these ladies went without. A thong sometimes looks like none.

Hey Shae! December 3, 2008 at 1:07 AM

My house had the same rule. Going out with no panties wasn't an option. Now indoors? All bets are off.

BTW - This post has way too cats in it. Ugh.

Lucky December 3, 2008 at 2:13 AM

Oh, my Lord...

I was taught to always have on clean knickers as just never know what could go down! The only time I left the house commando was under my leotard and tights to go to dance class, and that was 10 years ago! And anyway I'm totally addicted to Victoria's Secret. Plus, sometimes going bare under clothes feels a little...ooky!

Anonymous December 3, 2008 at 2:19 AM

The only time I straight up forgot to wear underwear was in high school. I was in the middle of Anatomy and Physiology class (oh the irony) and suddenly I stopped in the middle of the aisle and declared 'Oh!' Everyone was like, what happened? I shook my head and just laughed.

Any other time I have purposely not worn underwear, it was always with a dress or skirt on. I feel raunchier that way because I know there is more chance of exposure. Besides, tight jeans chafe.

PS: I came up with the 'wear clean underwear in case of a car accident' myself. Lol. My parents never told me that was the reason why I should. But since I think the worst I figured I should. Lol.

She W0rd Hustlez December 3, 2008 at 2:51 AM

"WARNING... the following pictures are not suitable for those under the age of 18, or men over that age who are still afraid to put their face in it." lmaooo. Thanks for the warning, and for some strange reason, thanks for the pics.

Dark Sun Setting... December 3, 2008 at 4:52 AM

all i can say is...pretty special pics right there.
I do not wear underwear unless I am wearing sweat pants - they kinda outline the tackle !! Been that way for going on 12 years now. I find it comfortable and functional - the biggest benefit has been my ability to almost instantly will away random boners in inappropriate circumstances.
i reckon there are times it is sexy when a woman goes without - when you take your woman out and you are planning a hurried and probably public dip in the car, alley or even cop and feel no underwear helps...i have dated a woman who did not always go with and it was all good with me !!!

fantasy queen December 3, 2008 at 5:03 AM

going out without undies is l;ike the number one rule of feminism...well in my household.
never thought i'd see the day b would be caught without her pants on:)

The True Urban Queen aka Sharon December 3, 2008 at 7:35 AM

I have never gone out without my underwear on.
However, my thongs sometimes tend to dip in and ride high/low which may make it seem like I don't have any on. (tmi)

Eb the Celeb December 3, 2008 at 8:08 AM

@jaded nyer - I am so thankful for the itty bitties I have... I can go out without a bra if I so please... so no way I would eva eva sleep in one...

@jewelry rockstar - dang I missed... the way it is last night

and a thong looks like you have none on from the back but not if they are straight on in your

@Shae - imagine all the cats I had to look at while I was googling which pics to

@Lucky - I know... what would catch all my juices... that would have to feel ooky

@Emeritus - soooooooo... you purposely go out with no underwear on
@She word hustlez - Do you know there are still men out there afraid to put their face in it... it boggles mean... the run heavy in the streets of BK... BK dudes swear they dont eat no pussy...

@dark sun setting - lol thx for sharing... so its been 12 years now that you have just let your johnson hang...

@Sharon - Girl you gotta get some better thongs... Victoria Secret body by victoria never move and they are more comfy then the ones made with elastic that can cause chafing...

Anonymous December 3, 2008 at 8:21 AM

LOL.. what a post... Never gone out without undies... I feel too naked.. n i tend to over think things.. does dude suspect something lol...

Miss Mahogany December 3, 2008 at 8:37 AM

Hmmm well guess I'm one of the few odd balls. LOL I have gone without underwear from time to time but it depends on the outfit and the situation. Certain places I will always wear underwear even if its just a little piece of thread-church, family gatherings, work, club, shopping etc. Unless I'm wearing pantyhose I think underwear is pointless and that's an automatic no. Sometimes I don't wear them with certain dresses of pants just because honestly I like the way the fabric feels next to my skin. So if I was celebrity I would probably be one of those young ladies caught on camera. CTFU!!!!!!! (seems like they could atleast wear a g-string though HAHA)

Just Jasmine December 3, 2008 at 9:39 AM

I could never do teh no undewear thing. I did it once and my jeans kept riding into my ukku and it wasn't pleasant the whole time. I need a barrier.

I hope beyonce had a thong on in that second pic.

I've seen all those pics before but after seeing them here together i have concluded two things:
White girl no no really looks disgusting. Really very disgusting.
and these woman know they have no damn panties on, they really ought to watch the way the exit/sit in a vehicle.

Jada December 3, 2008 at 9:45 AM

I went through a very brief stage back in my early college years that I would go w/o underwear on...but never in a dress or skirt. Always with my jeans. It kinda felt free and exhilarating. I might need to revisit that when it warms up.

12kyle December 3, 2008 at 9:49 AM

nice to see that the lovely rbw ladies wear their drawz

if you show me a man that goes rambo (that's what we call it)...i'll show you a slack ass man who prolly didn't wash that day!

Anonymous December 3, 2008 at 10:02 AM


I was in Jamaica and I had on a very cute but very close fitting dress. Now, I could have worn a thong, but I've never ever been comfortable in those damn things. Soooo... I went commando.

HOWEVER, I was aware and VERY careful that entire night about how I sat and managed to get up and sit down frequently without flashing anyone. Plus the dress was long enough to give me appropriate coverage.

Honestly, I can see why some women choose to go without.

BUT there's a way to do it without giving everyone a peep show.

Mizrepresent December 3, 2008 at 10:04 AM

At home, all day, in fact as soon as i get home, bra and panties come off....i like free! But outside, no way, i mean there is no protection, anything can crawl up, get next to your cooch/'s dangerous, and then like you are leaving your DNA everywhere you go...and picking up somebody elses, EWWWWWW! nasty!

Mr.Socialight December 3, 2008 at 10:05 AM

lmao. A few of those looked pre-mature.

where's the grown coochie? lol

Eb the Celeb December 3, 2008 at 10:18 AM

@Miss Mahogany - thx for your honesty... we gotta a lot of lurkers that wont admit to it... I know there are more out there that aren't saying so

@Jasmine @ Jada - Wouldnt jeans be worse than with a dress... I thought the whole point was so there are no panty lines but with jeans you cant see panty lines... I know that had to hurt... jeans are not soft on the lady

@12kyle - lol @ rambo... sooooo
man + no drawls = stinky sweaty balls

@Skinny - I give you a pass because you are very small and I'm sure very little on your body jiggles... but I hate seeing chicks with a donk that even wear thongs because all of that jiggling all over the spot uncontrollably is just a distraction... and not just to me because I find myself

The donks have to be controlled!

@Mizrep - I thought I was the only one who dropped them at the door with my shoes...if I didnt have a roommate I wouldnt even throw my robe or night gown on... I would walk around the whole crib in my birthday suit all day

@Mr. Socialight - I know... that second one of beyonce ol' boy should have had that super flash that takes like 10 pics per second.. he got it a second too early

1/3 December 3, 2008 at 10:32 AM

lol oh wow. Like everyone else said when in the house its whateva.

In public, ditto what mizrepresent said. it dangerous out here. u have to keep the va jay jay covered lol.

Keith December 3, 2008 at 10:46 AM

I aint never went out Rambo...lololol..and since I've only dealt with African-American females..I have never known any to come out without any panties on.

I did have someone come to see me in a trenchcoat once, but even she had on lingerie (and stripper heels)under the coat.

She didn't wear my clothes home
either...I took her home in the
trenchcoat, the next night after it
was late...nobody was out, so nobody saw her..Nobody that mattered anyway.

I do however know guys who think it's sexy when a woman informs them that they aint wearin no underwear.My one friend blushes so
hard when his woman tells him this, that he almost turns white.

Anonymous December 3, 2008 at 11:00 AM

LMAO!!! are so's all Victoria Secrets fault...but it really depends on where I'm going...hell I rather not wear clothes so I sure don't wear panties if I don't have to

guaranteedjuicy December 3, 2008 at 11:53 AM

i'm 21 now and for the most part have been going without undies since high school. it's just comfortable to me. except when it comes to tight fitting jeans, there's just too much friction so that's when i'll wear some. that and when the red niagra falls comes around each month. oh and if it's windy and i'm wearing a dress or skirt. those are the only exceptions. other than that i don't bother.

but i too grew up being told to make sure i leave the house with clean underwear in case of a car accident or what not. which reminds me of when i got into a car accident wearing a dress, with no underwear. the tech who had to check my vitals was a male and had to lift up my dress. he looked quite surprised that i wasn't wearing any panties. oh well lol

Myowne December 3, 2008 at 12:05 PM

Okay, look...I understand how SOME women go without panties (well...maybe I don't). I have never done that - not even at home. I will escape the bra though. No need to tie the girls down 24 hours a day. But my thing is and I don't mean to gross anyone out but letting the bird out the cage means that stuff can drip out on the carpet. And truly, it's just not ladylike to go without panties and wear short skirts, shorts, etc. Just go out with NOTHING on, in that case.

Anonymous December 3, 2008 at 12:14 PM

I always never wear panties when I'm home. I've only went without them in public twice. Both times I was wearing a skirt and was with my man. He knew I didn't have any on. So he would play with it. Easy access!

Eb the Celeb December 3, 2008 at 12:33 PM

@1/3 - lol... I love saying "va jay jay"

@g-juicy - are you serious you werent wearing panties in mama would have whooped my natural behind

@myowne - lmao @ dripping on the carpet

@Southern Gal - lol @ easy access... dang I aint heard anyone say that in a minute

Strongblkwmn December 3, 2008 at 12:43 PM


I was running late for work one day a long time ago and ran threw my clothes on and ran out the door and to the bus stop. I didn't realize I forgot my underwear until I stopped running. LOL! That's the one and only time I left home without them.

South Loop Social Light December 3, 2008 at 12:49 PM

I too grew up in a house where I was advised to "wear clean panties in case of a car accident..." I've managed to hold onto that saying for the last 24 years and just recently stepped out the house sans panties! It was for a good cause tho - - no panty lines! Sometimes a dress is just too tight and cute to risk having a visible panty line! Panty lines are hideous and should be outlawed...

Lina December 3, 2008 at 12:50 PM

I wear panties most of the time. Actually, the only time I went outside without undies was when I was going to get some. But honestly, who needs them then.

Pocahontaz December 3, 2008 at 12:53 PM

I have to agree 100% with AJ Brown and Guaranteed Juicy...Its all a preference, IMO it does not make you less of a woman.

ShellyShell December 3, 2008 at 1:11 PM

I always were drawls except in my house! I will say my damn thongs are so small and stringy I question if I even have drawls on! LOL! I don't own any drawls that cover my booty! I DETEST seeing panty lines! Uhhhhh!

Oh wait. I did do the trenchcoat and no drawls! Oh and I went out with my man and came back from the bathroom and handed him my panties...lmbao! We left very quickly! hehehehee!

Sexxy Luv December 3, 2008 at 1:53 PM

i know i may be late but i have to comment on this one. lol

I NEVER wear panties unless i'm wearing a short dress/skirt.

i hate panties, i have to much junk to be playing around with a thong and i be damned if i wear the granny panties.

VE December 3, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Dang...I never got to date those kind of girls!!!

And now I am calling upon you in VE's time of need. You need to visit my Tues blog post and do your duty. The gnomes are waiting...

Eb the Celeb December 3, 2008 at 2:11 PM

@Poca - I don't think it makes anyone less of a woman I just dont know if I could do it... maybe I shall try it one night... I would probably walk around self conscious thinking that everyone in the room knew I aint have none

@Shellyshell- are you serious you dont own regular panties... hell I love by boy shorts and the peak-a-boo booty... thongs get on my damn nerves even though I probably have more than them than any other kind of underwear. Plus I love my cotton low-rises, but they don't look like granny panties.. their actually quite cute! Then again, since my mom works at victoria's secret... I have literally gone 3 months without washing underwear and still had a couple weeks before I would be completely out

@Sexxyluv - having junk in the trunk is the reason you SHOULD wear underwear... something has to control all

Sha Boogie December 3, 2008 at 2:35 PM

I'll admit it! Yup, I have -- when I wore on of those LONG floor length, summery skirt thingies. Ain't no way anyone is getting a shot of the cooch in that, lol.

ShellyShell December 3, 2008 at 2:44 PM

Let me take that back! I have one pair of DKNY bikini's that I wear in the house alone. I have two pair of boy shorts but I wear them to bed or to walk around the house! I have a fear of seeing panty lines...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! I tell you I hate panty lines...nothing worse than when you see a woman with big ass panty lines! That ish will ruin a whole outfit!

Eb the Celeb December 3, 2008 at 3:00 PM

@Shellyshell - girl most of my full underwear are seamless.. they do have those now... you can wear full underwear with no panty lines... if I do happen to see any though my first thought is to put on a thong... NOT to just go; how do you program your mind to tell your body to let your cooch go free while out? lmao!

DiamondsR4eva December 3, 2008 at 3:38 PM

There's a lot of friction going on in this post lol. I think you should only go sans panties in the appropriate outfit and you should adjust your leg positions accordingly for said outfit when out and about smh @ these pics!

Just Jasmine December 3, 2008 at 3:51 PM

I just need to know how Shelly operats during the red days

Keelah December 3, 2008 at 3:51 PM

Okay...honestly...Yes I have! And it felt great! I dont do it often, but one day (fuzzy on the circumstances--knowing me, just prolly ran out) I just left without them. It was GREAT! As a matter of fact, I joked with a friend that I going without from then on. Freedom, sensuality, but mostly freedom!

Super Dave Van Buren December 3, 2008 at 4:22 PM

I've know women who go out commando if it's hot and they have on a long dress. nothing like these pics though.

Bohemian Bookworm December 3, 2008 at 5:02 PM

As you said Eb, they do have those seamless, "laser-cut" (really? laser cut?) panties for no show...but as was also said, for the women who regularly go sans cat-clothes, how do you do that with jeans?! The fabric mixed with the just seems like I would have a stank look on my face all day from the denim making contact with my hoo-ha.

Anonymous December 3, 2008 at 5:04 PM

LMAO @ "let your cooch go free"!!!!

Ms. Minnie December 3, 2008 at 6:02 PM

I haven't gone commando...I'm nervous about it...but I've been wondering how it would be...

I have a little "phat" remy would I need to where them to control the junk


RealHustla December 3, 2008 at 6:30 PM

In my early 20s I rarely wore them. I just didn't like them okay? My few BFs thought that I was just being a freak. I was sometimes. If I had a short dress on, I wore them. Pants or those long as dresses from the 80s?, never.

I would never be caught dead by And I think those gold things Bey had on WERE panties, that just got confused.

Eb the Celeb December 3, 2008 at 6:32 PM

@realhustla - LMAO @ bey's hot pants getting confused

Kryssy December 3, 2008 at 6:58 PM

Damn... and I do mean damn.
My Momma used to scare me by telling me that I would be embarrassed if I ever left the house with no panties on... then got into a car accident. LOL.
I've still done it though, in my younger days... RARELY.... But I've done it. LOL
Now, VS Pink has these thongs that are so comfy and are panty-line free... so I rock those a lot.

Pajnstl December 3, 2008 at 7:51 PM

occasionally i go sans panties... but you betta trust and know, i'm not giving peep shows! lol Then again I dont have the paps trying to get pics of my cookie pie either :)

Ms. Bar B: December 3, 2008 at 10:27 PM

Um... yeah...NO! Draws are a must. Ok, so I pretty much feel like if you wanna leave the draws at home then go ahead, do you. HOWEVER, you need to make sure that you ain't showin' your goodies to the whole damn world if you do!!

Carmen Renee December 3, 2008 at 10:35 PM

1. Damn Bey.
2.!! For real?! HILARIOUS!
3. "Annie" has been my jam for a minute. It's inspirational for me... I named my alter ego after her.
4. Yes I have gone out sans undies, BUT never with a skirt on. Mostly in college, during those times when I was just getting out of bed and wanted to run to the cafeteria and get some food to go. I'd throw on some sweats and be out. But in a skirt or dress, nooooo. She'd get chilly.

Miss Foxxy December 3, 2008 at 10:57 PM

LMAO @ "men over that age who are still afraid to put their face in it".. HAHAHAHAAA!

and i've never gone out with no panties on.. tho i'll admit i've wanted to try going commando, but i just can't get over the fact that i find it sooo unsanitary. aren't those chicks who let their shit freely air out afraid that a bug might fly up their cooch or something? hmm.. maybe it's just me then.

YoungBlackBeauty December 3, 2008 at 11:29 PM


But Yeah. I don't wear drawls only for certain club outfits. Like tights or shorts or MAYBE certain dresses depending on the lenth.

Now my sister, this bucket doesn't wear drawls PERIOD. Except when she's on her period. She owns like 5 pairs of drawls no lie. I think its gross personally especially considering the heat on Florida.

ShellyShell December 4, 2008 at 12:53 AM

@Just Jasmine
My "red days" are very light. I mean it comes on Thursday afternoon and leaves Friday afternoon. So, I rock a thong and a playtex! I stay in does NOT matter if it is a red day! That's what tampons are made for! I don't like panty lines! I will not wear drawls. Even if they are seamless I will be walking around and staring in every mirror! LOL!

Veronica Wright December 4, 2008 at 6:53 AM

I went without panties a couple times in my current relationship. Now that I'm older I find that going without is kind of sexy. Once I wore a dress but even witha thong you could see my panty lines so I took them off. When went out my BF had no IDEA during dinner and in the midst of a conversation with friends I leaned over to him and whispered that I didn't have any on. Let's just say when I got home...I got exactly what I wanted! :-)

99.9% of the time...the rule of thumb is...put some drawls on!

Eb the Celeb December 4, 2008 at 8:36 AM

@Carmen Renee - I died laughing when I stumbled upon that pussy slips site

@Foxxy - You would not believe the amount of grown ass men in NY that dont eat pussy... it should be against the law

@Shelly - Now I have a reason to hate your ass... a 24 hour period... I want to cyber slap you right now


Jada December 4, 2008 at 8:50 AM

@ Eb...not at all! Trust if it hurt the coot in any kind of way I wouldn't have even done it.

Mainly I just liked the free feeling...but I've been through a myriad of underwear phases and no underwear just happened to be one of them. I believe my body is happier when it's less restricted. But I cut that out years ago.

Malik December 4, 2008 at 11:44 AM

Ain't nothing wrong with a woman who wants to take her 'girl' out for some fresh air every once in awhile.

That's being a good pet owner.

Eb the Celeb December 4, 2008 at 12:19 PM

lmao @ Malik my cooch is not a pet!

Just Jasmine December 4, 2008 at 1:06 PM

Please tell me what kind of water you are drinking so that I may join. I thought mine was light and I'm a 3day-er.

Yuo're about to get cyber jumped.

ShellyShell December 4, 2008 at 3:25 PM

@EB....LMBAO at Cyber slap!

LOL! Getting Cyber Jumped. I think it's because I was an athlete when I was younger. Track,soccer and Bball. I didn't get my pd until I was 14 maybe 15. They've always been 1-2 days. Shyt I'm on bcp's(I have NO idea why since I don't get any)and a couple of months I just didn't even get a period! I love it! I can keep a box of 36 tampons for damn near a!

Eb the Celeb December 4, 2008 at 3:58 PM

@shelly - girl don't you aint got nothing to do with being an athlete. Now granted I never got cramps or was fatigued like I am now than when I was running but it was always them 4 days.

So hurry up and tell us what the real reason is so I can get on that regime.

ShellyShell December 4, 2008 at 11:44 PM

My GYN told me that I didn't get my pd until I was 14-15 and their not heavy is because of the training I did when I was younger. I guess the bod got used to having a day period. Oh yeah I don't get cramps either...heheheheheehehehehe!

Anonymous December 5, 2008 at 12:10 AM

Ack In South Flawda, in the HOT ASS Summer and leather seats everything, Nah! I consider those shits OPTIONAL, even to work!, and at home?/ clothes ARE DEFINITELY a no go, like I stay having a quick maxidress right near the door in case anyone knocks

Anonymous December 6, 2008 at 9:47 AM

Guilty as, charged!

Like yourself, Eb, when i get in from work the first thing i do is strip down to the butt nakedness! I NEVER wear panties when i'm at home and i think that comes from my mother. When i was younger, after i took my evening bath, i would go in my room and she would have my pajamas laid out. She would never lay out any, panties. When i would ask her why she wouldnt allow me to wear panties to bed, she would says " your pussy has to breathe if you want it to be, good baby girl" lmaoooo she had this whole "your pussy needs air" speech. she said it would prevent me from having, "pussy problems"*lmao*
As i got older, it never changed. It honestly depends on my, mood. i'm so over thongs these days and panty lines despise me so, bare works for me. I love being naked under my clothes! i barely wear bra's as well but i can't get away with that too much because my nipples are way too, friendly. LOL I dont think its such a bi deal. No one will know unless you tell em!

ill;kinda December 6, 2008 at 12:26 PM

never have I ever seen any of the real photos before . hahaha
at least they all had brazilian waxes . haha

Anonymous December 6, 2008 at 6:04 PM

Yo I was just wondering when part II was coming out earlier today. I'm mad it's been pushed back but, I guess I'll just have to wait with everybody else. That song is so funny. I can't wait to see the official video.

Keli December 6, 2008 at 8:10 PM

Oh...I will step out with no drawls on in a minute...


LaJune December 7, 2008 at 2:38 AM

lol what is with you and hoohoos!?!?

Shanti December 7, 2008 at 9:43 AM

My mother always told me to go out with a nice pair of panties. The phrase "it's laundrey day" does not exist in my house so yu would never catch me with rundown knickers never mind none at all. Mother had a fear of getting ht by a car and the paramdics having to cut away your clothes and see manky panties - the ones where the elastic is screaming 'let me go, Im done'!

mrsFAB December 8, 2008 at 11:03 PM

I am in the "wear clean undies in case you are in an accident crew." I can NOT imagine not wearing panties. Gross!

-::brown sugar::- December 8, 2008 at 11:19 PM


Never leave without panties...never.

Lade December 12, 2008 at 11:49 AM

i feel like i'm extra late in

ok, yes, i have left the house many times with no underoos on but i had on sweat pants... that's the only time i'll do it...

i think that's hysterical how all black people know about the clean draws thing... i mean, y does something tragic have to be happening in order for us to act right?

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